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Tuesday, May 10

Handmade circular crochet shrug bolero cardigan hippie vest for girls / Free cardigan crochet pattern




101 comments:

dee williams said...

Mom of 5, who is dying to make the shrug/cardigan for my 2 year old. Just 1 issue... downloaded the pattern, but it's not in english. Would love to send picks when it's completed.

Anonymous said...

are u kidding? the pattern is hardly seen...the photo is too small to follow

Anonymous said...

This would be a really sweet and fun to wear favorite if it was clearly written in English. I enlarged the pattern and seems to be in chains and double crochet stitches. If anyone has attempted to translate to English, I would really appreciate your expertise! Grammy from Wisconsin

Unknown said...

Blow up the photo, because I could follow it just fine....even in a different language AND on my android phone!

Anonymous said...

Google translate works great.

Florence said...

unfortunately it seems the link no longer works, i cannot download it.

Anonymous said...

This is the ONLY pattern I've found for this awesome jacket.. but I can only read English. If anyone here has it in English would you please email it to me at zoes.place@yahoo.ca. I promise to send you an awesome pattern in return!
Thanks!!

Anonymous said...


best could do hope it right.

Chain 5 join with a slip st (5 chain loop made)
Chain three * crochet 1 dc * from *14 times. (15 double crochet in chain loop just made)join with slip st.
Ch 3 1 dc in same space* chain 1, 2 dc in next chain gap* repeat from * to end (32 stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 dc in next chain space chain 1 * repeat from * to end (32 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Ch 3 1 dc in same space* chain 1, 2 dc in next chain gap*(64 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 dc in next chain space chain 1 * repeat from * to end (61 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Ch 3 1 dc in same space*chain 1 ,1 dc chain 1 dc*repeat from * to end (95 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 dc in next chain space chain 1 * repeat from * to end (95 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 3 , 1 dc in same space *2 dc in next chain space chain 1 * repeat from * to end (96 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Arm space round as follows
Chain 4 *1dc chain 1 *repeat from* in next 8 chain spaces make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 40 chain spaces. Make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 22 chain spaces. (Arm spaces made) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 dc in next chain space chain 1 * repeat from * to end (93 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 , *2 dc in next chain space chain 1, 1 dc in next space * repeat from * to end (140 dc stitches in round) join with a slip st.
Chain 5 in space between 2 dc and 1 dc (V~ I) * 2dc chain 2* repeat from* to end join with a slip st.
Chain 1 .1 single crochet in same space i single crochet in next st.* 5 single crochets over 2 chains space. Chain 2 * repeat to end join with a sl st. Break off.
Arms
Chain 23 join with a slip st.
Chain 3 1 dc in each chain join with a slip ts.
Chain 4 *miss 1 dc in next dc 2 dc chain 1 * repeat 11 times from* to end 1 dc in same space as chain 4 join with a slip st.
These two rows are repeated until sleeves are desired length.

I 1 dc
V 2 dc

Anonymous said...

hook no.5 uk

Anonymous said...

i made this up last night it turned out really good
no 5 hook
Chain 5 join with a slip st (5 chain loop made)
Chain three * crochet 1 tr crochet * from *14 times. (15 tr crochet in chain loop just made) join with slip st.
Ch 3 1tr crochet in same space* 2 tr crochet in next space* repeat from * to join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 tr crochet in next space chain 1 * repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Ch 3 1 tr crochet in same space* 2 tr crochet in next space* join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 tr crochet in next space * repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Ch 3 1 tr crochet in same space*,1 tr crochet in every space*repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 tr crochet in next space * repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Chain 3 , 1 tr crochet in same space *2 tr crochet in next space * repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Arm space round as follows
Chain 4 *1tr crochet *repeat from* in next 8 chain spaces make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 40 chain spaces. Make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 22 chain spaces. (Arm spaces made) join with a slip st.
Chain 4 *1 tr crochet in next space * repeat from * to end join with a slip st.
Chain 4 , *2 tr crochet in next space, 1 dc in next space * repeat from * to join with a slip st.
Chain 5 in space between 2 tr crochet and 1 tr crochet (V~ I) * 2tr crochet chain 2* repeat from* to end join with a slip st.
Chain 1 .1 single crochet in same space i single crochet in next st.* 5 single crochets over 2 chains space. Chain 2 * repeat to end join with a sl st. Break off.
Arms
Chain 23 join with a slip st.
Chain 3 1 tr crochet in each chain join with a slip ts.
Chain 4 *miss 1 tr crochet in next tr crochet 2 tr crochet * repeat 11 times from* to end 1 tr crochet in same space as chain 4 join with a slip st.
These two rows are repeated until sleeves are desired length.

Unknown said...

Im still relatively new at patterns. what does V~I mean
cant find V or I in crochet terms on internet only V-stitch

Anonymous said...

Hollie Richardson a V stitch means you crochet 2 double crochet into the same stitch. They usually have one chain in the middle but it all depends on what the pattern/graph calls for.

Anonymous said...

I made this with cotton yarn and an H hook; it turns out nice but is for a ten month old size

ROBIN said...

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS FOR MY GRANDDAUGHTER. DOES IT COME IN A SIZE 6

Tielakie said...

could someone tell me what weight yarn to use please and thank you

Msr2 said...

I started making it and the circle started to crinkle. Did that happen to everyone else. It would not stay flat. I need a more instructive instruction.

Anonymous said...

What size is it supposed to be?

ElaineK said...

I think it's for a 4 year old, I'm going to have a go with some double knitting and a 4 / 4.5 / 5mm hook, depending how it goes. I'm hoping it will fit a 2 year old - wish me luck!

Grandmarocky said...

I really want to make this for a size 7/8 girl. does anyone have any ideas on how to adjust this pattern to fit a larger girl? My granddaughter just fell in love with some yarn we found and she wanted this pattern but if it can't be enlarged I guess we'll have to look elsewhere but this looks pretty simple. I'm used to making afghans and have never made a piece of clothing so I really can't go too elaborate.

All Things Beautiful said...

I'm interested in up sizing as well, 8-10. What size hook and yarn are is required? Thanks.

All Things Beautiful said...

How much yarn would be needed for a size 8-10?

Mom Deb said...

How much and what type of yarn is best

shanidoll12 said...

Hey guys i know that the comments are mostly older but i am trying this for a little girl in size 6 cloths. I am increasing the size by repeating the 6th and 7th row until i reach a good size. you can also increase the size by using a larger hook i might try I or J depending on the size wanted that way you wouldnt have to use so many extra rows. I do think that the purple marks are dc and the yellow are tc hence the color change. If anyone has the ability to get a larger copy of the pattern i would appreciate a copy or link.

Anonymous said...

here is a link with a clearer picture of the pattern ----https://www.pinterest.com/pin/381680137144561624/

shanidoll12 said...

OMG LOVE YOU ty ty ty

Anonymous said...

you're welcome!

Anonymous said...

Also, if you wanted to freestyle it a little, it's literally a circle with sleeves. My daughter wears one :)

Anonymous said...

had to take a pioc of thispattern because I was not able to print the pattern out on my computer. Any hints on how I could get it in English and beable to print. thank you

Mc said...

Hello, does somebody know what the schema 4 is for? I can't figure it out! Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Schema 4 looks to be the little flower on the front, you can just see it in the first pic

Georgie said...

Would anyone happen to have this pattern in 'knitting' rather than crochet?
Geo
BC
Canada

Unknown said...

Has anyone else noticed that the picture doesn't actually correspond with the picture pattern ? Row 12 isn't even in there.. Saying that, I have managed to read the picture pattern quite easily... Nearly finished it ! ��

Unknown said...

Thank you anonymous for the pinterest updated photo. It does help and it is much clearer.
Roxie

Tracey said...

Georgie, I don't know if you ever come back here but this might be what you're after.
http://www.craftsy.com/pattern/knitting/clothing/circle-coat/157065

Unknown said...

Does anyone know what size this pattern is? I would love to make this for a small 5 year old but it ssys "girl" but looks like toddler. Can anyone offer any help. This is the cutest pattern!!!

Unknown said...

If you use Google Chrome browser it will offer to translate it for you. I asked for translation and this is what I got:


Comfortable simple sweater "mat" crocheted for girls 3 - 4 years.

Materials: 150 grams of fine yarns (80% acrylic, 20% viscose), white, gray and beige. HOOK number 5.
Back and shelves: the scheme 1. Fantasy pattern: the scheme 2. Finish: 3. Flower scheme: under the scheme 4. The density of knitting: 10 cm = 15 p.
Description of knitting sweaters:
Note: knitting yarn in 2 additions.
Back and shelves: Knit one piece. Gray thread to perform the initial ring and knit by the scheme 1, alternating the colors of threads trail. follows: * 2 p. gray thread, 2 p. thread beige, 2 p. white thread *, repeat from * to * until the end of the work. In the 9th district. armhole to perform according to the scheme 1. Continue the scheme 1 to the 12th district. inclusive. Then knit the trail. way: 13th p .: filament gray all art. s / n; 14 minutes p .: 3. p. lift, 1 tbsp. s / n of comp. Art., * 1. n., skip 1 p., 2 tbsp. s / n of 1 n. *, repeat from * to * until the end of p., 1 in. n., Port. Article .; 15 th p .: floss all beige Art. s / n; 16 minutes p .: 3. p. lift, 1 tbsp. s / n of comp. Art., * skip 1 p., 2 tbsp. s / n of 1 n. *, repeat from * to * until the end of p., Port. Art. White thread to perform the finish by the scheme 3 and finish knitting.
Sleeves: The common thread white knit 36 p. Pattern under the scheme armholes 2, alternating between 2 p. white thread, 2 p. thread beige and 2 p. gray thread before the end of the work. At a height of about 24 cm of white yarn tie trim scheme 3 and finish knitting.
Assembly: The common thread to tie a beige flower pattern on white 4. The common thread to link a chain of c. p. and sew it on the right front, forming a hinged loop. On the left shelf to sew the flower as a button. The finished product is to moisten and let it dry.
The scheme of knitting sweaters:


Unknown said...

Im confused with the arm/sleeves.i have the arm spots. Im going on to the next row. But do i skip where sleeves go? Are they to be stuched as one pice? Help

Unknown said...

I must say the Google translation is hilarious. District? 14 minutes? Tbsp?!?! On a real note, does this actually make a size 3 or 4T? Also what does a number 5 hook translate to...G,H, I? And does anyone have a ballpark on how much yarn is needed? I assume I need more than a few tbsp (LOL!). Thanks so much for any feedback!

Unknown said...

Beth T, I apologize sincerely. My 2 year old granddaughter stays with me 4 to 5 days a week so I stay pretty busy. It just so happened that just as I used Google translation I had to go running after her so I posted it without reading it first, trusting Google did it correctly...WRONG! I am going to try to work it out by the graph in the next couple of days and will post it on here. I will tell you this though, here is a link you can go to to convert UK hook #'s into US hook letters
http://www.purplekittyyarns.com/info/crochet-hook-conversion.html and the # 5 UK hook is a US I hook. Sure hope this helps a bit.

Sincerely, Floria

Unknown said...

It says fine so in US standards that would be fingering and the yarn is 150 grams which would convert to 5.2911 ounces so I would get 6 ounces of fingering weight yarn. Still, in my mind's eye I don't see 6 oz of fingering weight yarn being enough. I would make sure I use a yarn that doesn't have a die lot that way you can easily get more to finish it.

Carol said...

I just saw this adorable pattern on FB last night. I found what looks to be the adult pattern on Drops/Garn studios website (well actually my hubby did). It is called Moonlight Mist. But this is only the adult size, so would love to have a child's version. I have a few granddaughters that this would look adorable on!

Carol said...

Update- After I started really looking at the 3 pictures that were in the post I saw, they are 3 DIFFERENT patterns. There is one very similar to this for sale at Mary Maxim. I now have the patterns for all 3! YAY

Danielle Means said...

Would anyone be willing to crochet one for me? I don't know how, but really want to have one for my granddaughter. She is in a 12 month old size.
Dannim2@bellsouth.net

Carol said...

the instructions listed above do not correspond to the chart. If you want to make one like the chart, here is the English US version of the instructions. I made this for my granddaughter who wears a 2 and it is great! You can adjust your yarn size and needle size to get different sizes. You can also add extra rounds of increases following the pattern of the increases. ENJOY!

Toddler Crochet Circle Shrug-
Original pattern was on Russian site with only the chart.
Here are the directions in English, US terminology
Notes: ~Ch 3 at beginning of each round counts as dc
~Join each round with slip stitch in beg ch 3 unless otherwise noted.
~I used baby sport yarn with an I hook and my circle was 16” in diameter, including the border. I used a total of 17 rows for the sleeves. Fits my almost 3 year old granddaughter great. (she is still wearing size 2)

Rnd 1- Use either the magic circle or ch 5 and sl stitch into a loop. Ch 3, 15 dc in circle. (16 dc)
Rnd. 2- Ch 3, dc in same stitch. 2 dc in each stitch around (32 dc)
Rnd 3 – Ch 3, dc in each dc around (32 dc)
Rnd4 – Ch 3, dc in same stitch. 2 dc in each dc around. (64 dc)
Rnd 5- Ch 3, dc in each dc around (64 dc)
Rnd 6 – Ch 3, *2dc in next dc, 1 dc in next dc* repeat from * around (96 dc)
Rnd 7 – ch 3, 1 dc in each stitch around (96 dc)
Rnd 8 – ch 3, dc in same stitch, *skip next dc, 2 dc in next dc* repeat form * around (96 dc)
Rnd 9 Ch 3, dc in next 22 dc, ch 17, skip 12 dc, dc in next 40 dc, ch 17, skip 12 dc, dc to end of round ) (sleeve holes made)
Rnd 10 Repeat row 8. At the chain spaces….*skip 2 chains, 2 dc in next ch* for a total of 5 times. (5 clusters of 2dc in armhole ch space.
Rnd 11 Ch 4, *2 tr in next dc, 1 tr in next dc* repeat around (144 stitches)
Rnd 12 Ch 3, dc in same stitch, *ch 2, skip 2 tr, dc in next tr* repeat around

Border –follow chart or make your own
Sleeves-Same pattern as shrug….1 round of dc then 1 round of 2 dc in every other dc. Stitch count is consistent at 24.

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Unknown said...

Carol, thank you so much for doing that. I am hoping I will get to try it after Thanksgiving. I have so many projects going and have had so many medical problems that I have gotten behind. Again, Thank You!

Floria

Anonymous said...

I'm making one for a 7 year old and I'm using a K hook and its turning out great.Good Luck.

Coach Rusti said...

Would you be able to tell me the measurements between the arm holes and the measurements before adding the border? Thanks in advance!

Unknown said...

Could u send them to me via email? I would be so grateful. Celestiaisme@gmail.com

Unknown said...

I want big size shurug 6year girl.in this pattrn arm hole is after 8 rows i want to increase the rows.and arm hole is after 10 rows....plz pattrn

Unknown said...

Msr2, you say your work is crinkling.. you may have too small a hook in relation to the weight of yarn you are using..try some other combinations, and maybe make your initial circle a little looser.

pam smith said...

mary maxim has same pattern

Carol said...

Yes, I noted that in my post above. there are a total of 3 patterns.

Anonymous said...

I have looked on Mary Maxim and can't find the pattern you referenced. Could you please guide me further?

Carol said...

Here is the link. http://www.marymaxim.com/baby/apparel/granny-s-little-girl.html

Unknown said...

Every set of instruction posted is 12 toes, like the fuagram, but the pictured shrug had 16 rows. Anyone have instructions for last 4 rows?

Unknown said...

I meant 12 rows like the diagram

Unknown said...

Every set of instruction posted is 12 toes, like the fuagram, but the pictured shrug had 16 rows. Anyone have instructions for last 4 rows?

Carol said...

Deb-The shrug being discussed in this thread is ONLY the one with 12 rows. The other shrug is a purchased pattern from Mary Maxim. (I posted the link above)

rhonda said...

this is going to be a stupid question, and I apologize up front. But the pattern has a sleeve opening of 17 stitches. This means there's a 34 stitch opening. But the sleeve is only a 23 count chain. No mention is made of how to attach said sleeve, but most importantly, how am to fit a 23 stitch count sleeve into a 34 count opening?

Carol said...

No stupid questions Rhonda. When you do round 10, it changes the 17 chains into 10 stitches. (Rnd 10 Repeat row 8. At the chain spaces….*skip 2 chains, 2 dc in next ch* for a total of 5 times. (5 clusters of 2dc in armhole ch space.) You have only skipped 12 stitches when you made the ch 17 so that leaves 22 stitches for the sleeve. The extra 2 stitches are added back in where the rows meet at the top and bottom of the sleeve. Otherwise, there is quite a gap. I wish we could do diagrams in here. :-( Bottom line, you attach your yarn either at the bottom or top of the sleeve on the right side and make as many rows for the sleeve as you want. (I started one sleeve in the top and one in the bottom so that the joins would be in the back of the sleeve) I made 17 rows for the small size. Does that help?

Unknown said...

I'm having a hard time with the selves part. When I keep going it keeps getting bigger like into a flair. How do I make it that its doesn't make it a flair? Can someone please help me out.

Carol said...

Most likely you are adding a stitch when you do your join. I would suggest ripping back to the beginning and then place a stitch marker in your first stitch. Then you know where your clip stitch should go to join the row. Stitch count should remain constant at 24. The ch 3 at the beginning of each row counts as your 1st dc. Does this help?

Unknown said...

Thanks so much Carol for making this sooo much easier to fellow... Going to start one in am...thanks

Anonymous said...

can you explain this row to me:

Arm space round as follows
Chain 4 *1dc chain 1 *repeat from* in next 8 chain spaces make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 40 chain spaces. Make 17 single chains miss 17 st on main round and rejoin repeating * in next 22 chain spaces. (Arm spaces made) join with a slip st.

Carol said...

The pattern that calls for the dc, ch 1 is not the same as the chart pattern. My post above follows the chart.

Unknown said...

So the sleeves are made seperate and attached after?

Carol said...

Yes and no. they are made after the sweater. But you join your yarn to the sweater to make the sleeves. It is a 2 row pattern repeat as seen in the chart. The stitch count is consistent at 24 stitches. There are NO ch 1's in the sleeves.

Carol said...

In my post dated November 19, 2015 at 8:32 PM , I made an error in writing out row 12. It should say Rnd 12 Ch 3, dc in same stitch, *ch 2, skip 2 tr, TWO dc in next tr* repeat around

not one. I apologize for the error.

Suzi said...

Carol, thank you so much for your help in this. While I have crocheted a lot over the years I usually stick with afghans. My niece saw this on FB and wanted me to make it for her daughter. Your instructions will be a great help.

Unknown said...

One person has the pattern in doubles & another translated it in triples. What size is this pattern for? Mine is very tiny! Would fit a baby. I have ripped it out & restarted about 4 times! I used the pattern using mostly doubles. Has anyone actually finished this & what size did you end up with? I need it to fit a 3 yr. old.

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Carol said...

Janice-The chart is written with dc with a couple of rows of trc near the last rows. In order to make one larger for my 3 yo granddaughter, I used a chunky weight yarn and a J hook. I have made 3 and the ones made with baby yarn and an H hook are more 1 yo size. You just have to play with it. If you want to make it bigger with the baby yarn, you would just add more increase rows.

Unknown said...

Hi carol have followed yourinstructions thank you UK based so converted using DK ( light worsted) about to have ago with uk chunky - a question for you if you ever revisit page - if you increase befire armholes are made would you still chain 17 miss 12 chains or do I need to increase the armhole as well bit confused kind regards Andrea in the UK

Carol said...

That is a great question Andrea! When I made the one for my 3 y.o. I did not increase the armholes because I did not use any more increase rounds. I think that if your goal is a size much larger than for a 3 y.o. it would be wise to increase the armholes accordingly. There are 12 rows total with the 17 ch size so for each increase round you may want to add at least 2 more chains. If you do increases, you will also have to adjust the number of stitches before the next armhole. There are fewer stitches at the "top" of the shrug so you would need to figure out how many stitches you want after the first set of chains to keep the same ratio. Does that help?

Unknown said...

Thank you Carol for getting back to me so quickly - i am not that brill at working out where I would place the increases but am a seasoned crochet lady!! So have re read all your comments and decided that the version I have just finished done on a 5mm hook with dk no increases is about as large I can go with dk as you suggested further up the thread I will up size to possibly aran or chunky to see how that works !! I dont have any children to make this for have sons / grandsons!! But have a friend who has a 3 yo g/ daughter this is a surprise - sizing is very difficult when your working blind!! I have also done a version without sleeves that looks quite good too once again many thanks

Carol said...

sounds like you are doing fine, Andrea. The one I made for my 3 y.o I used chunky weight and a size J or K hook. It fit beautifully.....

Unknown said...

Thank-you Carol, I will try Chunky yarn next

Anonymous said...

At the arm space some say leave 17 stitches Carl's said leave 12 before rejoining, which is correct

Anonymous said...

Sorry was meant to say Carols

Carol said...

the arm spaces require 17 chains for the opening. when you start the sleeves, you do NOT put a stitch in all 17. from post above.....skip 2 chains, 2 dc in next ch* for a total of 5 times. (5 clusters of 2dc in armhole ch space.) You have only skipped 12 stitches when you made the ch 17 so that leaves 22 stitches for the sleeve.

Anonymous said...

Hi
Did you make one with these instructions

Carol said...

Yes, I have made 3. all came out beautifully....

Carol said...

I apologize...the stitch count for the sleeves is 24, not 22 as in my post above....I wish we could edit our remarks!

dream it make it love it said...

This is a link to the Garnier Drops version with adult sizes,
http://www.garnstudio.com/includes/pattern-print.php?id=7632&cid=17

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Unknown said...

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone guide me to make one for 6 yrs old please. Thanks.

Unknown said...

UK No.5 is am I hook or 9mm hook in USA

roniw said...
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roniw said...

What is the origin of this pattern? The symbol for a double crochet or triple crochet is the same but means different in US vs UK and obviously with change the size...those that had success used a triple crochet??

Unknown said...

Carol I followed your pattern and it has turned out beautiful. But I am lost on the sleeves. Do I make them separate? Could you help . Tried making them crocheting on the sweater and it looks totally wrong .

Carol said...

Pam, no, you attach the sleeves to the shell as you go. Crochet around the space that you left for the sleeves. there should be 24 stitches after you have stitched around the hole created when you did the shell. does that help? Carol

Carol said...

Pam: this is from one of my earlier posts. When you do round 10, it changes the 17 chains into 10 stitches. (Rnd 10 Repeat row 8. At the chain spaces….*skip 2 chains, 2 dc in next ch* for a total of 5 times. (5 clusters of 2dc in armhole ch space.) You have only skipped 12 stitches when you made the ch 17 so that leaves 22 stitches for the sleeve. The extra 2 stitches are added back in where the rows meet at the top and bottom of the sleeve. Otherwise, there is quite a gap. I wish we could do diagrams in here. :-( Bottom line, you attach your yarn either at the bottom or top of the sleeve on the right side and make as many rows for the sleeve as you want. (I started one sleeve in the top and one in the bottom so that the joins would be in the back of the sleeve) I made 17 rows for the small size.

there are few other posts that I made in the thread on other questions about the sleeves. Let me know if this helps.

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Unknown said...

Can I have the video of that bolero shrug.

Carol said...

Thank you Donnam8588. :-)

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Anonymous said...

Has anyone sent you the English version?